S4E6: Rose Van Dyne
In this episode, Hayley and Amy talk with music director, artist, and educator Rose Van Dyne about building inclusivity, aligning actions with personal values, leaning into the intersection between community service and artistic expression, and more. Scroll down for episode notes and transcript!
Episode Notes
Hosts: Hayley Goldenberg and Amy Andrews
Guest: Rose Van Dyne
Music: Chloe Geller
Episode Resources:
Jim Henson’s Labyrinth: In Concert
Musical Theatre Educators Alliance
Guest Bio:
Rose Van Dyne (she/her) is a multifaceted artist and educator based in NYC. She is the co-founder of @BroadwayCooks, an organization that provides fresh food for houseless and hungry community members in Times Square and the five boroughs. Recent credits include: Actor— 1776 (Broadway, National Tour, ART), The Lonely Few (Off-Broadway at MCC), Cambodian Rock Band, All’s Well That Ends Well (Oregon Shakespeare Festival), Interstate (Mixed Blood Theatre). Music Director— Jim Henson’s Labyrinth: In Concert tour (BlackInkPresents), Allegiance (54 Below), Dragon Baby (ART), Spring Awakening (Montclair State University), You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown (Out of the Box Theatrics), American Theatre Wing Songwriters Competition (2020–2022). Educator— Pace University, Marymount Manhattan College, BroadwayVox. www.rosevandyne.com, @rose_van_dyne
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Episode Transcript
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Hayley: Hello beautiful people, and welcome back to the Women & Theatre Podcast! We’re your hosts, Hayley Goldenberg…
Amy: …and Amy Andrews. Grab a cozy beverage and join us as we talk to women and gender-expansive folks about their experiences at the intersection of womanhood and theatre.
Hayley: On the pod, we cultivate open conversations across identities and professional roles…
Amy: We look for opportunities to support one another in growing our careers…
Hayley: And we pool our collective wisdom to build the equitable theatrical spaces of the future.
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Hayley: How the heck are you?
Amy: Hello, how am I? I'm excited to be here, that's how I am. How the heck are you?
Hayley: I'm excited to be here. I'm a little frazzled today. I'm a little all over the place.
Amy: Frazzled girl hour.
Hayley: That's what I said before we started recording. So she's doubling down and calling me out for Frazzled Girl Hour. It just - the girl hours keep evolving. It just keeps going.
Amy: Yeah, it grows, it changes, it evolves, just like women. And just like theatre.
Hayley: Exactly! And with that, should we do our roses and thorns for this week?
Amy: Let's do it! My rose for this week is - we had a great chat with our partner at Playbill about an event that we're doing with them at the end of September, which will already be done by the time this podcast is live. But it went really well and it just, it makes me really, really happy to be developing these collaborative partnerships in the industry and getting our work out there and making a difference - makes me really, really, really happy, feeling the feels. So that's my rose.
And yeah, my thorn is that this is the first week of school that we're in as we're recording this. And my darling child, who I adore, was not able to make it through the first week of school without getting sick. So she's on a sick day today. I'm really hoping that this is not indicative of how the whole school year is gonna go.
Hayley: It's not. We're thinking positively.
Amy: Yeah, I'm sad she's not feeling well. I'm sad that we're all having to reorganize our schedules for the day. And yeah, I'm just, I'm really crossing my fingers for a healthier school year than last year.
Hayley: That's so fair.
Amy: Yeah. What are your rose and thorn for the week, Hayley?
Hayley: My rose is that I'm back in New York City, which is so exciting. I spend a lot of my time in Toronto because that's where my spouse lives, and though I will miss them terribly, I'm very happy to be back in New York. It's nice to be back in my space, back with my community. I love the fall, I'm a fall girly. It's my birthday in October, so I just love all things, like, I'm a Gilmore Girls girly in the fall, I turn it on and I start baking pumpkin things. Like, sue me, I can be basic around this, okay? I love fall.
Amy: I love it.
Hayley: So that's my rose, and my thorn is my menstrual cycle is getting me down. I'm sorry if that's TMI, listeners, but that's how I feel.
I'm so excited, though, for today, to talk to Rose Van Dyne, because Rose is one of the people that I admire the most in this community. She's an actor. She's an educator. She's a music director, an advocate. She runs her own organization called Broadway Cooks. And I'm just so excited to talk to her about how she balances all these things because she's one of those people that I look at and I go, “That's effortless. I don't know how you do that. It's amazing.”
Amy: And she does so many things. Yeah. I'm so excited to meet the woman behind all of the many millions of very impressive things on her resume.
Hayley: Okay. Well, let's get into it. Let's talk to Rose.
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Hayley: Rose Van Dyne (she/her) is a multifaceted artist and educator based in New York City. She is the co-founder of Broadway Cooks, an organization that provides fresh food for houseless and hungry community members in Times Square and the five boroughs. Recent credits as an actor include: 1776 (Broadway, National Tour, and ART), The Lonely Few (Off-Broadway at MCC), Cambodian Rock Band and All's Well That Ends Well at Oregon Shakespeare Festival, Interstate at Mixed Blood Theater. As a music director, her credits include: Jim Henson's Labyrinth in Concert on Tour with Black Ink Presents, Allegiance at 54 Below, Dragon Baby (ART), Spring Awakening at Montclair State University, You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown at Out of the Box Theatrics, American Theatre Wing Songwriters Competition, 2020–2022. As an educator, she's worked with Pace University, Marymount Manhattan College, and Broadway Vox.
Hayley: Hello, beautiful people. We are so excited to be here with the wonderful Rose Van Dyne. Rose, welcome to Women & Theatre!
Rose: Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Hayley: Yeah! Could you share your pronouns and tell us a little bit about what you do in theatrical spaces, just to get us started?
Rose: Sure. My name is Rose. I use she/her pronouns. I consider myself kind of like a multi- hyphenate, as many of us in this industry do. I work largely as an actor and a music director and also as a voice teacher or a vocal technician. And then I also collaborate and work in many community gathering spaces.
Amy: Fantastic. Rose, can you tell us about something that's inspiring you right now in your life?
Rose: I just got back from a huge trip. I backpacked Europe for two months this summer. It was like, a really much-needed reset. And I feel just like, inspired from that time of being able to get away and like…being alone with your own thoughts in a new place is such a specific thing. So I feel like I'm trying to hold onto that feeling as long as I can, even though I'm now back into the grind of everyday life.
Hayley: Yeah, so fair.
Amy: Rose, can you tell us a bit about your journey and how you came to theatre and all the different creative projects that you do?
Rose: Yeah, so I'm from Colorado. Fort Collins, born and raised. I did a lot of childhood theatre camps, and I did choir in middle school and high school, and I was in a community choir. So, I really enjoyed theatre and music. And I took piano lessons and violin lessons as a kid. I was really lucky to have the opportunity to do all of those things.
I never really considered music and theatre as a potential career path. I had aspirations to do other, more academic things. But just where I found myself by senior year of high school was…I was thinking about: Where am I going to go to college? How am I going to pay for it? What are the things that I want to do?
And I went to Thescon, which is like, a high school thespian conference. [It’s] kind of a competition. And I won the solo musical theatre thing for Colorado. So I performed in front of 4,000 screaming high schoolers in Denver, which was very exciting. And then from that, someone from University of Northern Colorado came up to me and was just like, “We have a great musical theatre program. I'm not sure if you're interested in going there.” And UNC was only like, 45 minutes away from my hometown and seemed like a good fit for me. I was able to afford it…
So I kind of ended up doing theatre and music not because it was like…the passion of my childhood and it was something I always wanted to do…but more so, the circumstance of the moment. I found it to be the best way for me to afford going to school.
So I studied musical theatre and piano in undergrad. I double majored. And then I also minored in Arts Business Administration and Spanish. And I had a senior showcase with the musical theatre program in New York City. And I was lucky enough to sign with an agent from that. So then, I moved to New York in 2018.
Amy: That's fabulous. What a journey.
Hayley: We hear many stories of like, “This was the passion of my childhood.” I just think it's cool for our listeners to hear about the reasons that you chose to go into it, which are also totally valid…
Rose: Yeah, it makes me feel like a little bit of an odd man out, often in rooms, because… Don't get me wrong. I love music. I love theatre. It's also my job. And I kind of view it as a job, as opposed to like, “It's this or bust. This is my passion, and I can't go a day without singing.” Like I said, I was just on this long trip for two months, didn't play piano or sing once, and didn't think twice about it. It was like, it was a break from my job, you know, so…
Amy: That's great.
Hayley: I think that's a really healthy relationship to have to it.
Amy: Yeah. And it's so refreshing. I think a lot of that, like, “Oh, this is my passion. I have to do this. There's nothing else I can do.” I think a lot of that comes from the world saying to a lot of folks, "Oh, well, this is not a career path that makes sense or that will work out." So it's really refreshing to hear you say, “Yeah, I went into this because it was the career path that made the most logical sense for me.”
Rose: Yeah, I don't love putting on a pedestal this idea of the starving artist, of like, you're so passionate about it that you'll just do anything in order to get your art done. And I think having that mentality has really helped me actually create a sustainable career for myself.
Amy: That's awesome. We love healthy boundaries here.
Hayley: For sure. Rose, can you tell us a little bit about what you're working on creatively right now?
Rose: I'm about to go out on tour, music directing a project of Jim Henson's Labyrinth: In Concert. So it's the David Bowie 80's Labyrinth movie, where they screen the film but they took out all the music, and me and the band are playing it live. I've been told, and I've seen online, that people are hyped about it. People are, like, flying out to any of our dates and locations with costumes, and they're, like, freaking out, so I'm really excited to see what that'll be like.
Hayley: Rose, you do so much different work in this field. You wear so many different hats. I'm curious if there's a creative mission that aligns all of the different things that you do.
Rose: I want all of the work that I do to be infused with a drive towards inclusivity. Ultimately, I don't want there to be any barriers between me and the person next to me, some element of our identities making it so that we can't work together towards a greater project. I particularly love working in theatre because it's inherently collaborative. I feel that the human experience is inherently collaborative. And I just want everything that I do to be infused with that energy behind inclusivity.
Hayley: I love that.
Amy: Yeah, that's great. Speaking of missions, could you tell us a little bit about the nonprofit organization that you run?
Rose: Yeah, this organization I co-founded with Storm Thomas called Broadway Cooks. Broadway Cooks is an organization that aims to feed the houseless and hungry in Times Square, New York City, and the five boroughs. We came together because we both share such an intense interest in serving the communities that we live in. And particularly as artists, I just found it to be so abhorrent to be walking through New York City, Times Square, like, on my way to a Broadway job, stepping over people that are living in that exact neighborhood that don't have necessary things that they need to live, like sanitary products or food or housing or clothing, any of these things.
I think that it's so easy to turn a blind eye, because we're all like... thinking that we're part of this glitzy thing of the Broadway community, and then we're completely ignoring the other human beings in the exact same space. So this was an opportunity, both to serve these underserved communities and also to hold ourselves as artists accountable for having a space to come together and be in service to others.
Hayley: If folks want to get involved with Broadway Cooks, where can they find you?
Rose: You can find us on Instagram @Broadway Cooks. In our bio, there's a LinkTree with a bunch of stuff, like a newsletter that you can sign up for. We host events about every month or every other month that you can come and volunteer for. We're also always accepting donations, 100% of all donations go straight to buying food or products given out to the people.
Amy: Fantastic.
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Amy: Rose, we'd love to talk a little bit about womanhood and how it fits into your identity as a person and as an artist. Would you like to speak with us about what womanhood means to you?
Rose: Rose Van Dyne and womanhood. Two words in a sentence that rarely go together. I’ll say out front, I identify as a cis woman. I've never had any questions about my identity, I feel very comfortable in that identity. But I think what I've had difficulty with is identifying with the essentialist qualities of what people believe a woman is. And I think I've fought against that my entire life. And so it's made me, for a long time, want to disassociate myself from that aspect of my identity. Like, if you're talking about all of the different things in somebody's identity - perhaps their race, their sexual orientation, their gender, all of these things - to me, gender is at the bottom of the list of how I choose to identify.
That being said - obviously, my gender identity has had a huge impact on the way that I am perceived by the world and how I walk around it. But yeah, I've struggled so much with the level of importance that I want it to have in my life.
Hayley: Yeah, thank you for sharing that. I think there's a lot of “girl power” energy right now behind feminism and the fight for equity, and so I really appreciate that perspective of like, this is actually not... it doesn't rank for me, but it's more of a perception that's placed on you. I'm sure there are many other folks who are listening who can identify with that on some level.
Rose: Yeah, the girl power thing - it is so, so popular. And I think to someone who maybe - where their femininity or their womanhood is like, a central part to their identity, that makes total sense. But to me, all of those things that I would say are complex about myself are because I'm a human being, not just because I'm a woman. So I feel that humanity is complex, and we can all participate in that.
Hayley: I think it also makes sense with what you're talking about. If your mission is inclusivity, if your experience of these spaces is actually exclusionary, then it's at odds with your personal set of values. I think the intention for many people is to be aligned with this idea of inclusivity. And I think that the broader idea can be great, and then the execution can fall short.
Rose: Totally. I think the spaces that I have felt the most comfortable in, when they are about aligning with a particular identity - whether that be gender, like, everybody in this room is BIPOC, everybody in this room is a woman… are when it's about sharing lived experience.
Amy: Yeah, I hear that. Rose, I know that you're involved with so many different projects all the time and there's so many things you do. Is there a particular project that really lights you up?
Rose: I feel like I've enjoyed so many projects that I've done for different reasons, but I'm most excited about projects that live at this intersection between community value and artistic expression. So for example, Broadway Cooks is something that really lights me up, because it's service as well as involving of the artistic community.
I'm part of several other nonprofit organizations, like Musical Theatre Educators Alliance, which is an alliance of musical theatre professors all over the world who come together to share resources and conference together. I'm also part of something called On the Margins, which is an Indigenous-founded organization in Northern California which uses its resources of artists to enact real change in those communities.
So I'm really, really enjoying finding a way to bridge the gap between all of the values that I have that have aligned me in these nonprofit organizations and the theatrical work that I do as an actor, as a music director. I'm trying to find a way to bring them together.
Hayley: Yeah, that's super cool.
Amy: Yeah, I love that for you. I've been able to share space a lot with Susan Blackwell and Laura Camien, who do creativity coaching. And one of the things that they talk about a lot is finding a vessel that's big enough to hold all of the things that are important to you. And it seems like that's kind of the work that you're going for, taking these two things that are important to you in different ways and bringing them together into a unified thing.
Rose: Absolutely. And I think that there are more people than I think who share the same vision. Often in either one of these worlds, I'll find people who are wanting to do the same kind of thing that I do. So I think it's out there. And it also could be very changing. I really enjoy jumping from project to project and working with new people, but it can always be through this lens of trying to marry those two ideas.
Hayley: Yeah.
Amy: Yeah. Well, we're humans. We're complex. We have a lot of layers, and I think we all, at a certain level, just want to be seen for who we are and for all the parts of who we are. So it makes sense to me.
Hayley: Yeah. I want to ask you, Rose, because you're one of the people I look to where I'm like, how do you do all these things? Like, how do you think about balancing all the different hats you wear?
Rose: You know what? I love logistics.
Hayley: Woo!
Rose: I just love it. I love a good schedule. I'm always with the lists. I'm always with the schedule and the calendar. But one thing that I will say that I'm discovering as I try to do more and more and more is that... you know, your capacity is your capacity, so…
Hayley: Yep, that's real.
Rose: I feel like I'm constantly trying to pursue five career paths - as a professional actor, as a professional music director, as a vocal technician, particularly in the collegiate setting, as like, a nonprofit community organizer, and as a writer, I'm trying to publish and research as a continuation of the work that I did in grad school. And it's impossible to do all of those five full-time jobs and also have a personal life.
So what I've come to learn is being willing to have like, different seasons of one or the other. So for example, when I'm cast in a show, if you're in an eight-show week schedule, you're not doing that much else, particularly if it's tech or if there's like, press, things like that. It's okay to be like: This six months is my acting season. And that's what I'm going to be focusing on. And I'm going to be like, doing the self-tapes and going to rehearsal. This is my acting year, or whatever.
And then the next season you could be like, “Okay, well, I feel like I would like to spend a little bit more of my effort and time into music directing.” And so I'm going to be reaching out to try to sub for some chairs, or I'm going to music direct a project, things like that. As opposed to trying to constantly achieve all five of them at the same time. It's impossible to grow them all in the same time. So I'll say that, I try to have a focus on one or the other, depending on the season. But I do personally really enjoy, for my day, to have aspects or elements of all of them. And that's only achieved through meticulous scheduling.
Hayley: Love. Get that Google Calendar out, friends.
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Hayley: Rose, if you could make one change to the theatre industry, would it be and why?
Rose: One??
Amy: That’s a great reaction.
Rose: I would love to change the structure, in terms of who it is that has the money that then has the power of what art is being produced. Broadway is a commercial space, and at the end of the day, no matter how beautiful and artistic the work is, at the very top is a Broadway producer that could pull the plug in two seconds if it's not making enough money. I really don't agree with the commercial aspect of the business. But it's difficult, because it's only with that commercial money are you able to draw the best artists who want to come and get paid at the highest level to do what they do.
Hayley: Yeah, and in many cases also reach the broadest audience.
Rose: Yeah, I find theater to be very exclusionary. Sometimes we can be so snooty about our high art form, but what we're doing is supposed to be entertainment to the masses. So I would rather participate in creating projects that are meant for people who have never seen theatre before or who participate in theatre in different ways.
Hayley: That's really cool.
Amy: Rose, what's a small step you think we could take as individuals or as an industry?
Rose: I'm always a huge advocate of trying as much as I can to make my actions align with my values. If I have a personal value about plastic in the ocean, then I'm going to personally try to buy less plastic or recycle in this way. It is true that if, you know, 20,000 individuals make that choice, there's an impact. But I also strongly feel that the weight of the world is not on your shoulders as an individual, when there are organizations and corporations with much more money and power that are making a thousand times more of an impact than what you could possibly be doing.
So in terms of how that relates to the theatre industry, there's so much dialogue happening right now about identity, in terms of what roles an actor should be allowed to play or not. My personal opinion is that I'm never going to fault an actor from taking a job, because you don't know why they need the money. Maybe they're about to get evicted, and this job is the difference between them having a place to live or not. And perhaps to them, their value in that moment is that they are needing to survive more than they're needing to participate in this conversation about identity. Somebody else in that situation could have made a different choice, the casting director, the director.
Me, personally, the individual choice I'm going to make is - I want my actions to align with my values, which is I want to do the best I can to represent what it is I feel I can bring to the table and also give opportunity to others that perhaps don't have my identity. But I don't think that it's my place to decide what anybody else is going to be doing about how their actions align with their values.
Amy: Rose, can you tell us a little bit about what success looks like for you in your life?
Rose: I think what I have always been trying to achieve is sustainability and independence. And for me, that independence means financial independence. So success is that I feel that I'm enjoying the work that I do, and that I'm also able to be compensated in a way that I can maintain my freedom and independence to like, function as a human being. Everybody has to pay rent. Everybody needs something to eat.
So I don't feel that there's a particular marker that I'm working towards, of like, “Once I achieve this, I will be successful.” I feel that every day that I'm able to work towards the things that I enjoy and that also are going to give me independence is success in and of itself.
Amy: I love that. Yes! Success in the process.
Hayley: What's a conversation that's not happening enough in theatrical spaces right now that you would like to see more of?
Rose: I think community engagement. Similar to this idea of Broadway Cooks, we're not the only organization. There are many, many, many other organizations that believe the same thing as what I'm saying. I do believe the art is important. It is what I do with my life's work. But I also think the job that I have can have a larger impact than just this tiny room. Sometimes, community engagement could be a more tangible way to achieve that impact, as opposed to just saying, “Well, who knows who saw this show and how their life was moved?”
Let's take our time and energy and the work that we're putting towards the show and do something more tangible with it. That could look like community engagement in the way that Broadway Cooks does, with the houseless and hungry communities in the physical spaces near the theatres. But that could also be about conceptual things, like when I did 1776, there were a few members of the cast who identified as trans or non-binary. And they worked really hard to put like an insert into the Broadway program about gender identity, which had never been done before. So things like that, I think that's very admirable as well. Just finding a way to make a broader impact than just in your own community.
Hayley: Yeah.
Amy: Love that. Rose, what are you most proud of in your life and in your work so far?
Rose: I feel proud that I can live in these different facets of the industry. I feel really confident in each of my areas. And I think that it's only in having those different facets of the industry in which I can generate income that have allowed me to stay in the industry. I feel really, really proud that I'm able to create a life in which I feel fulfilled in each of these different areas, and that I'm also still working towards being at a high level in each of them.
Hayley: That's really awesome.
Amy: That's fantastic.
Hayley: Another new segment this season is about uplifting other people's work who inspire us: Trailblazer of the Week.
Amy: Who's your Trailblazer of the Week, Hayley?
Hayley: My Trailblazer of the Week is Schele Williams. Schele is a Broadway director, she just directed The Wiz on Broadway and she co-directed The Notebook. Schele's really inspiring to me in the way that she creates opportunities for up-and-comers, and specifically young Black women. I just think that's really admirable opening doors for a whole bunch of awesome up-and-coming people. So, Schele Williams is mine.
Amy: Love it. My Trailblazer of the Week is Dayna Beegum, Queen Dayna, who is the drama teacher at my daughter's school. A lot of us have been lucky enough to have that one teacher who is just life-changing. I see her being that teacher for my daughter and all of her classmates, and it's just incredible how she takes drama education, and she turns it into education on how to be a good person and how to be, you know, a person in community. So, with the start of this school year and my daughter going back to drama class, I'm just really, really grateful for the amazing educating that she is being exposed to. So, Queen Dayna, you are my Trailblazer of the Week.
Rose: Okay, I am going to say Jessica Humphrey, who is the current president of Musical Theater Educators Alliance. She's amazing. She is currently getting a PhD. She's a full-time faculty teacher in Texas. She has one young child. She's a great mom. She has done so much for the organization. I just see her being like, on top of everything that she needs to do. She's also a performer. I just think it's really inspiring how she's able to juggle all the things in her life,
Hayley: I love it. Yeah. Thank you so much, Rose. Thank you so much for being here and being a part of this.
Amy: Absolutely. We appreciate your perspective and your values-aligned way of approaching life. It's fantastic.
Rose: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
Hayley: Before we disappear, can you tell the listeners where they can find you on the internet?
Rose: If you just Google my name on all of the things, it's there. rosevandyne.com, my Instagram's @rosevandyne.
Amy: Fantastic.
Hayley: Thank you so much again for being here.
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Amy: What a delightful conversation we just had with Rose. I always love when we have a person come in and say, “Well, my perspective may be different from what you've heard.” Like, yes, that's what we're here for, right?
Hayley: Yeah, that's literally the whole point.
Amy: All the complexities of humanity.
Hayley: Exactly. Yeah, my biggest takeaways are about the values-based actions that she was talking about, because I'm also a values person, I like to make choices based on my values. But I think of that more in a broad scope where - when I'm making bigger life choices, I'm thinking about, “Does this align with my values, does it not?”
But her goal of, like, I want every action I take in my life to support my values - to me, it's such a lofty goal, because I think as human beings, we're all so imperfect. But it's such a beautiful thing to strive towards, and I think so long as you're not forcing yourself into perfection with that, but just continuing to be in practice of, like, even in small check ins with yourself: Does this align with what I believe in? I just think that that's the key to a better world in a lot of ways.
Amy: Yeah, I love, how much Rose had to say about community and being of service to our community - and not just the arts community, but the larger community of the world and of the places that we live in.
I really love how she's intentionally working to integrate that community service with art. I think that's really beautiful. Yeah, and a great, big lofty goal to aspire to, both for individuals and for our industry as a whole.
Hayley: Yeah.
Amy: Yeah, Rose Van Dyne. Listeners, check her out. I'm excited to follow along her path and see where she goes from here.
Hayley, I want to hype you up today because you have a big month coming up. As we are recording this, we are in September. Hayley is preparing for a very exciting development opportunity for one of her shows in progress. And I just, I've been thinking a lot about a thing that we were talking about the other day about leveling up in our careers, and that if we put in the work and show up in spaces, acting in the way that we want to be perceived as professionals, then the universe sees that and sends opportunities our way. And I have seen you putting in the work, not just on this project but also on your shows, and really in everything you do.
You work so hard and so smart, and you really present yourself as someone that's just a joy to work with, because you really freaking are. And it's really delightful to see those opportunities coming your way. I'm so happy for you, and so I want to hype you up for putting yourself out there and taking in what the universe is sending you.
Hayley: Thank you. I really appreciate that. It's validating to hear you say that. I want to hype you up! You always remain curious about perspectives different from yours, even if it's not something that you personally identify with.
My other thing I want to hype you up for is just your kind of general enthusiasm. You have such a sparkly way of - when you get excited about things, I liken it to like, an Elle Woods-type quality. You get into this like, very buzzy, excited, driven, like, crushing it kind of space. It's effervescent, it is contagious, and it brings me a lot of energy. There's always an effort to bring that enthusiasm into the space and that positivity and that sparkliness, and I admire that.
Amy: Oh, thank you. I appreciate it.
Hayley: Listeners, it's lovely to talk to you. It's lovely to be here. Talk back, let us know - what are you thinking about after this interview? What is resonating with you? What's making you think differently? These are questions we can always ask ourselves after interviews, but it's something I'm asking you today.
Amy: Absolutely. We can't wait to hear from you, listeners. We want to know what you think about all the exciting things we're doing at Women & Theatre. And hey, we think you're awesome, and we love you.
Hayley/Amy: Bye!
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Hayley: Come ready to have fun, make friends, and ring in the holiday season with the Women & Theatre community.
Hayley: Just a quick housekeeping note: We will be off the air next week, spending time with friends and family.
Amy: We wish you all a happy holiday season. We're so grateful for you and we'll see you on December 3rd for the next episode.
(Music)
Hayley: Thank you for listening to the Women & Theatre Podcast. We’re your hosts, Hayley Goldenberg…
Amy: …and Amy Andrews! If you like what you heard, subscribe and give us a 5-star review wherever you listen.
Hayley: You can also follow us on social @womenandtheatreproject to make sure you never miss an episode.
Amy: The music for this show was written by talented Women & Theatre community member Chloe Geller.
Hayley: Thanks again for listening, everyone. See you next time!
Amy: Bye!
